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Alan Fitz Flaald, de Hesdin Sheriff Shropshire

Male - Abt 1122


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  • Name Alan Fitz Flaald 
    Suffix de Hesdin Sheriff Shropshire 
    Gender Male 
    1 Source From "The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland" HRH Prince Michael of Albany, 2000. Element Books Ltd.. Shaftesbury, Dorest & Bosdton. Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Info 1 Baron of Oswestry. Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Info 5 See also Stirnet Genealogy at http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/ff/fitzalan1.htm Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Died Abt 1122 
    Person ID I026455  Ancestorium

    Father Fledaldus Baron of St Florent Flaad,   d. UNKNOWN 
    Mother Aveline\Ava de Hesden, of Picardy,   d. UNKNOWN 
    Family ID F04821  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Adeliza Warine,   d. UNKNOWN 
    Children 
    +1. Adelina of Oswestry,   b. Abt 1105,   d. UNKNOWN
    +2. Walter FitzAlan, 1st Steward of Scotland,   d. 1177
    Family ID F04824  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • Alan FitzFlaad, lord of Owestry, Sheriff of Shropshire[1]
      Male Abt 1078 - Abt 1121 (~ 43 years)
      http://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I1948&tree=CC
      Name Alan FitzFlaad
      Suffix lord of Owestry, Sheriff of Shropshire
      Born Abt 1078 Dol, Normandy, France
      Gender Male
      Occupation Sheriff of Shropshire
      Died Abt 1121
      Person ID I1948 Clan current
      Last Modified 1 Feb 2019

      Father Flaad (Flathead), Hereditary Steward of Dol, b. Abt 1046, Dol, Normandy, France , d. 1101, Wales (Age ~ 55 years)
      Family ID F1344 Group Sheet | Family Chart

      Family Aveline de Hesdin, d. Yes, date unknown
      Children
      + 1. Jordon, Hereditary Steward of Dol, d. Abt 1130
      + 2. William FitzAlan, lord of Oswestry, Sheriff of Shropshire, d. 11
      + 3. Walter FitzAlan, 1st Hereditary High Steward of Scotland, d. 1177, Paisley Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland

      Last Modified 24 Aug 2015 14:03:00
      Family ID F1342 Group Sheet | Family Chart
      Sources 1.[S474] Colquoun_Cunningham.ged, Jamie Vans.


      His wife is sometimes shown as Aveline de Hesdin . The is said to be a mistake, and that she was actually his mother, in the book "The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland" HRH Prince Michael of Albany, 2000. Element Books Ltd.. Shaftesbury, Dorest & Boston. Page 40, chapter 4. It saws "Her status is confirmed in Cartulary of St George, Hesdin." See below.

      However there are other opinions as shown in The Scottish Historical Review. Volume LXXVI, 2: No 202:October 1997. In the article "The Last Chief: Dougal Stewart of Appin (died 1764) by Angus Stewart.
      ".. An Historical and Genealogical Account of the Royal Family of Scotland and Surname of Stewart", published in 1739.... As for the origin of the Stewards the author conceded that Hector Boece's pedigree of fourty generations through the thanes of Lochaber down to Fleance, son of Banquo, was wholly non-historical; and he accepted as persuasive Richard Hay's alternative version.

      Seventeen years earlier, in a masterly piece of historiographical criticism, Hay had demolished the notion of Gaelic ancestry, and had suggested that the Stewarts were probably of Norman-Breton stock. He had further shown that the first High Steward or Stewart, Walter son of Alan, was likely to have arrived from south of the border, bringing with him from Wenlock the thirteen Cluniac monks who were to pray at Paisley for the king of England…. Alan Breck - who (like his distant cousins of Norfolk and Arundel) was named ultimately, as we now know, for that first Alan, sheriff of Shropshire, during the reign of Henry I." (page 221)



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      However in "The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland" it says
      "The error which is often apparent in published charts occurs because, within thr ranks of King David's European nobles, Walter was styled "Fitz Allan" (Son of Alan). It has been supposed, therefore , that his father must have been Alan the Breton Seneschal, but that is wrong. In making such a presumption the whole chronology is upset, and a generation is completely missed; Walter's father was Alan of Lochaber, who married into Breton succession.
      Through many decades, and especially since Victorian times, chartists and registrars have been so preoccupied with drafting male lines that the importance of wives and daughters was largely dismissed, Because of this many family genealogies have been incorrectly published, and as far as the Sewarts are concerned, the female so often ignored was Walter's own mother, Adelina of Owestry, the daughter of Alan Fitz Flaad de Hesidin, Sheriff of Shropshire." (pages 39-40)

      Alan de Hesdin's father, Flaad, was Hereditary Steward of Dol in Brittany. In the early 1100's he was Baron of St Florent, Saumur (in the dioceses of Angers) his early forebears were the Counts of Brittany, who were kin to the Merovingian Kings of the Franks. It is with Flaad and his wife that the genealogical problems normally begin. Flaad was married to Aveline, the daughter of Arnulf, Seigneur de Hesdin of Flanders; but some peerage registers (…) .show Aveline quite erroneously , as the wife of Flaad's son Alan., The fact is, however, that Alan Fitz Flaaad was born with the "de Hesdin" distinction readily inherited from his mother, Aveline (Ava) of Picardy. Her status is confirmed in Cartulary of St George, Hesdin.(…)

      When Aveline's father Arnulf (brother of Count Enguerrand de Hesdin) , joined the Crusade in 1090, Aveline became his nominated deputy in England. She was known as the 'Domina de Norton' (of Norton) , and her son Alan Fitz Flaad was Baron of Owestry during the reign of Henry !. As correctly detailed in Chalmers' Caledonia (1807), Alan was married to Adeliza, daughter and heiress of Sheriff Warine of Shropshie, therby inheriting that same office." (pages 39
      "The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland" HRH Prince Michael of Albany, 2000. Element Books Ltd.. Shaftesbury, Dorest & Boston