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- His wife as Mary Ann Witch is speculative at the moment. Justin Kirby is still working on this one
Generation 5: Paternal 3x Gt. Grandparents…
February 9, 2020 ~ Justin Kirby
https://descentfromadam.wordpress.com/2020/02/09/generation-5-paternal-3x-gt-grandparents/
In theory, there should be 32 ancestors in this generation, but two ancestors (Fitzherbert and Mary Wright) in the last generation were siblings so shared the same parents. And we can’t confirm the natural father of our great grandmother Annie Birtwistle (née Hartley), so that branch is currently a dead end. That means we not only have a duplicate pair of ancestors at this generation, but also a missing pair. And so there are actually only 28 possible ancestors we can currently trace in this generation.
We have only managed to find 26, partly because we are reaching the beginning of the Census records and therefore what I call the 3x Gt. Grandfather Enigma (see here). At the same time, not all records include the name of the bride’s maiden name making it difficult to trace their ancestry.
I should add that some of my mother’s maternal ancestors have been traced by deduction based on stitching together marriage, census records, etc. They might need a higher standard of genealogical proof, so should probably be treated as a working hypothesis or starting place for further research.
Previous generations can be seen at the following links:
Previous posts include:
•Generation 1-3 https://descentfromadam.wordpress.com/2020/02/07/generations-1-3-biographiesobituaries-etc/
•Generation 4: Paternal 2x Gt. Grandparents https://descentfromadam.wordpress.com/2020/02/08/generations-4-paternal-branches-biographiesobituaries-etc/
•Generation 4: Maternal 2x Gt. Grandparents https://descentfromadam.wordpress.com/2020/02/08/generations-4-maternal-branches-biographies-obituaries-etc/
and
Generation 5: Paternal 3x Gt. Grandparents https://descentfromadam.wordpress.com/2020/02/09/generation-5-paternal-3x-gt-grandparents/
From: Justin Kirby
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 2:33 PM
To: Hamish Maclaren
I tried seeing if I could go further back with Kirby family. Sadly, no joy but do reckon that George Goldsmith's parents were George Kirby and Mary Ann Witch.
1851 Census shows GGK was born around 1807 in Holborn, Middlesex, England.
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=2108674&tid=&pid=&queryId=8e62ee385f50a47a3518aea5123db3c0&usePUB=true&_phsrc=ovz1&_phstart=successSource
We also know from Lincoln Inn records that his father was also called George.
Well, there is a baptism record for a George Kirby on 18 May 1806 at Saint Andrew, Holborn, London whose parents were George and Mary Kirby
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=9841&h=12444132&tid=&pid=&queryId=503a3e7420e3162cbbf97c7b7409a677&usePUB=true&_phsrc=ovz3&_phstart=successSource
And there is a marriage of George Kirby and Mary Ann witch at same church the year before (10 Feb 1805) witnessed by a Sarah Kirby:
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1623&h=217289&tid=&pid=&queryId=14fc555ff1bb8dd00bb7258572086e2c&usePUB=true#?_phcmd=u('https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/?name%3Dgeorge_Kirby%26count%3D50%26location%3D3257.3250%26marriage%3D1806_london-london-england-united%2Bkingdom_85535%26priority%3Denglish%26spouse%3DMary%26successSource%3DSearch%26queryId%3D14fc555ff1bb8dd00bb7258572086e2c','successSource')
Not 100% but plausible. Looks like George Kirby who married Mary Ann Witch had sister or mother called Sarah. Not sure if that is a clue.
Anyway, still can't locate a George Kirby who was living in Kensal Green around 1825. Or George and Mary in later censuses in London about the right age.
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