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- As shown in the REPORT below he was a Baptist minister and at the time of his son Robert's marriage is recorded as being Sub-Manager of Carron Iron Works. Plus it seems he was at least a sleeping partner in Andrew Liddle & Co. which was an iron and brass foundry and made iron pipes. "Andrew Liddelle (1789-1854) “…his halfbrother, MR. ROBERT M'LAREN, advanced capital, and went in as a sleeping partner, under the firm of Andrew Liddell & C". See quotes below from the Extract of DEATH OF ANDREW LIDDELL, ESQ.. Proceedings of the Royal Philosophical Society of Glasgow, Volume 3. 1855
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I would be very grateful for more information on this line. If you have any please email Hamish Maclaren at maclaren@earthlink.net
You can see the descendants I have for him so far at Descendants at https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/616047/I000057/robert-maclaren/descendancy
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His "ancestor who was Charlie’s (the Bonnie Prince) brigadier of artillery took some pot shots at Stirling castle on his way south - which was unpopular (not sure why this was a big deal but there you are)". From Jean Greer whose father, John Frederick Peverell Maclaren, commissioned the report ROBERT MACLAREN OF BAINSFORD (below) and has also provided further family information.
Note: So far we have not found any record of a Maclaren officer in the Jacobite artillary, but could have been on his maternal ancestors' side.
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Paternal line DNA Confirmed Haplogroup is R-Z19118 (a subgroup of R-Y16252, a subgroup of R-S7370)
See Clan MacLaren Surname DNA Project - Y-DNA at https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacLaren/default.aspx?section=yresults
a bit after halfway down under "Type 1 : (R1b-L1335>L1065>S744>S7370/S764>Y16252>BY23333): Scots Cluster, Sub group A MacLaren " "431343 Maclaren Robert Maclaren b 1745 (v approx) d bef June1786. Scotland. R-BY23333
(as of 11 Nov2018)
More on his DNA under his "grandfather" "a1-start-Maclaren".
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FamilyTreeDNA Big Y-700: Paternal line DNA Confirmed Haplogroup is -R-Z19118 (a subgroup of R-Y16252, a subgroup of R-S7370) (30 August 2019. Kit #431343).
This R GROUP line
M173 - M343(R-P25) -L754 - L389 -P297 - M269 - L23 - L51 -P310 - L151 -P312 -Z290 -L21 - DF13 - Z39589 -L1335 -L1065 - Z16325 - S744 - S764 - Y16252 -BY23333 -BY41060 -BY206760 -R-Z19118 (was -FT6950)(31 August 2019. Kit #431343).
This test was done by Hamish Maclaren,
son of Ian Garnet Maclaren (1915-1997) (& Annette Mary Birtwistle, 1921-2006),
son of Dr. Norman Henry William Maclaren (1880-1937) (& Mary Margaret Garnet, 1893-1988),
son of Robert Maclaren (1817-1889) (& Mary Jane Finlay c1840-1900),
son of Robert Maclaren of Bainsford (c 1778-1825) (& Margaret Shaw, 1779-1854),
son of Robert Maclaren (c 1745-bef 1786) (& Margaret Lowrie b.c1750).
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Also at R L21 and Subclades Project at
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L21?iframe=yresults (set Markers: at Y-DNA111) 431343, Robert Maclaren b 1745 (v approx) d bef June1786, Scotland, R-Y16252. The top of brown "Ungrouped" about halfway down page 2. (as of 14 Jan 2016)
and
R1b-L1335 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-L1335/default.aspx?section=yresults about a third of the way down, the brown “ungrouped” which is the last group at the bottom of the page 2 (as of 14 Jan 2016). 431343, Maclaren, Scotland, R-Y16252. Perhaps the grey Modal 2.3.0 L1335+/ S530+, L1065+ / S749+ General Scots Group.
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Y16252 characterizes a small group on the Big Tree (see results there at http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=9 ), where Y16252 is presently shared by testers named Ferguson, Morris and Kelley.(about a third of the way from the left).
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THE CLAN MacLAREN SURNAME DNA PROJECT http://www.clanmaclarenna.org/dnaproject.htm & https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacLaren/
See also in this file CLAN information sources MACLAREN , online at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=maclaren&id=I037325
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"Descendents of Robert Maclaren 1776-1826 & Ralph de Birdtwisell 1160" at http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/m/a/c/Hamish-S-Maclaren/index.html
All information has gone.
The most current version of this family tree file is at https://ancestorium.com/tng/descendtext.php?personID=I000057&tree=1&display=block&generations=12
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Robert McLaren
in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
Detail Source
Name: Robert McLaren
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 6 Dec 1807
Marriage Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Spouse: Margaret Shaw
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/2516450:60144
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REPORT
on Robert Maclaren of Bainsford
Much of the information on the Maclarens has come from a Report (about 1950s) of research into family of Robert Maclaren of Bainsford. (Also Laurie, Shaw, Liddell, Peddie, Findlay, Renny.) commissioned by John Frederick Peverell Maclaren (1896-1976). That report is included below.
Much information was collected over many years by John Frederick Peverell Maclaren and his daughter Jean Gaselle Greer. His notes are included below. Plus additional information on Maclarens of 20th & 21st Centuries is provided by family members.
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PRELIMINARY REFORT
Robert Maclaren, Ironfounder in Glasgow, died in 1889, and his record of death reads -
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1889 Kinning Park District, entry 175
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Robert McLaren, Iron Founder. Married to Mary Jane Findlay. 1889, April Second,
9h.30 pm,. 5 St Andrew's Drive, Pollokshields. M(ale) 72 years.
(Parents) Robert McLaren, Baptist Minister,(deceased);
Margaret McLaren, M. S. Shaw (deceased).
(Informant) Robert Maclaren, junr. Son, Present.
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The description of Robert Maclaren's father as Baptist Minister is exceptionally interesting. It is doubted, in view of other evidence traced, if he were indeed so, but this was early confirmation of the tradition of descent from a Minister.
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Robert Maclaren and Mary Jane Finlay were married in Glasgow on 25th August, 1859. He is then described as forty years of age, an Iron Founder and Engineer, resident at 10 Abbot Yard Place, Laurieston (Blythswood District, entry 345). Mary Jane Finlay was then aged nineteen, daughter of John Finlay and his wife, Mary Adams. (Robert Maclaren was admitted to the Incorporation of Hammermen of Glasgow as son-in-law of John Finlay, Ironmonger and Smith).
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Most interesting is the description of the parents of Robert Maclaren in the 1859 marriage record as Robert McLaren, Sub-Manager of Carron Iron Works, and Margaret Shaw.
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The birth and baptism of Robert is recorded in the Falkirk Parish Register -
1817, March 2
MacLaren Robert lawl. of Robert MacLaren & Margaret Shaw born 4 current (2 Mar 1817).
N.B. The parents are Baptists.
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Other children similarly recorded are -
1810 Apr.15
MacLaren James Lwl. of Robert MacLaren & Margaret Shaw Born 19 Octr.1808
MacLaren Jean lawl. of Robert MacLaren & Margaret Shaw born 15 April,18
N.B. The two children last Inserted have a Baptist to their father.
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1812 Jan.3
MacLaren Margaret lawl. of Robert MacLaren & Margaret Shaw.Born 5 janry.1812.
N.B.. This child has a Baptist to her father.
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No other children of Robert MacLaren and Margaret Shaw are registered, but this would be accounted for by the rebellious persuasion of the parents. They would be inserted in the Parish Register only at the special request of the father.
The marriage of the parents is recorded at Falkirk 1807 Decr. 6th.
"Robert McLaren and Margaret Shaw both in this parish. "
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At the time of the 1841 Census the family is listed as follows;
Bainsford, Falkirk
Margaret McLaren Head (approx.age)60 Ind(ependent) Y(es, i.e.born in the county
Janet25 Y
Jeanie20 Y
Andrew15 Smith App(rentice)Y
Archibald14 Y
(Enumeration Book 27/p/9)
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In 1851 we find
Bainsford
Margaret McLaren Head W(idow)(aged)70 proprietress (born)Stirling,Falkirk.
JanetDo.Daur.U(nmarried) 30Do. Do.
(380/EnumerationBook 1, Schedule 22)
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A search in Stirlingshire Sasines showed that Robert MacLaren himself acquired no property in the county between 1781 and 1826. 0n 20th September, 1822, however, Margaret Shaw, spouse of Robert McLaren, Clerk to the Carron Co. residing in Bainsford was seised in 7 falls of ground with the houses thereon, being part of the lands of Mungall, adjacent to Bainsford, parish of Falkirk, on a disposition by James Shaw, labourer, Bainsford, her father, which was dated 23rd April, 1806.
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James Shaw, Workman, Carron, was seised in this property on 18th February, 1765, on a Feu Contract between him and the Trustees of Michael Ramsay of Mungall, signed 13/15 March 1775. James Shaw's wife Jean Cockburn, was granted a liferent interest in the property. In another record of 1812, James Shaw is described as Feuar, Bainsford, and the name seems to have been attached to the house owned and lived in by Margaret Shaw, thus accounting for the description of Robert Maclaren as of Bainsford.
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In a search for relevant Wills or Testaments, that of Robert MacLaren was traced, though this very interesting document is not a testament testamentary, his estate being disposed under the terms of his Marriage Contract with Margaret Shaw. The relevant deeds were not recorded in the Stirlingshire Sheriff Court until 1864, as a result of the dispute with Andrew Liddell. A full copy of the deed is appended. Robert Maclaren is again described as sub-manager of the Carron Iron Co. and his date of death at Bainsford confirmed as 11th August, 1826. Details of the case against the estate of Andrew Liddell are given. The executry shows that Margaret MacLaren married William Law, Glasgow, Janet still lived at Bainsford; and the younger sons, Andrew and Archibald were Ironmongers in London. The full text of the Post-Nuptial Contract between Robert MacLaren and Margaret Shaw is also given.
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Note A: Shaw
The. baptism of Margaret Shaw is recorded at Falkirk-
1781 lst April
Margaret Shaw laul.dau. to James Shaw & Jean Cockburn.
Wit(nesses) John Swourbay (?) and John Russell.
Other children registered to the same person are :
Janet, baptized 13 May 1770
Catherine, baptized 27 June, 1773 (witnesses including a Robert Shaw)
Jean, baptized 27 October, 1776.
The marriage of the parents is not registered at Falkirk, suggesting that they came there from elsewhere.
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NOTE B: ANCESTRY OF ROBERT MACLAREN
Robert MacLaren is known to have been born about 1778, but there is no suitable baptismal entry recorded in the Falkirk Registers. So far there has been no indication as to his parish of origin or parentage.
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It is suggested that the following lines of enquiry be pursued -
(a) In the Contract between Robert MacLaren and Margaret Shaw (see photostat copy) the Trustees appointed are Andrew Liddell "our beloved Brother" and Andrew Renny "our Brother-in-law". It might be helpful to establish the relationship of Andrew Liddell in particular, if he was related to the MacLarens. Even if the wife could be a clue, and it is possible that he was a brother uterine of Robert MacLaren.
(b) In view of the Baptist persuasion of Robert MacLaren it is likely that he was the son of a Baptist Minister, Records of Baptists are not easily available but the line of enquiry can be followed up.
(c) Now that it is known that Robert MacLaren was sub-manager of the Carron Co., it would seem worth while to re-open that line of investigation. The records of the Company are now deposited in Register House, Edinburgh, and though not yet available to the public (being uncatalogued) access could probably be arranged.
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ROBERT MACLAREN OF BAINSFORD
REPORT
Andrew Liddell, brother of Robert MacLaren, died at Bardowie House, parish of Baldernock on 15 November 1854. So far no record has been found of his death (Baldernock has no burial records) and it is most unfortunate that he did not survive till 1855 when the registration of births, marriages and deaths became compulsory in Scotland. However he left a Trust Settlement which at first sight appeared very helpful. This Trust was recorded in the Books of Council and Session but is also quoted in the Stirling Sheriff Court Register of Inventories Volume 36 page 122. The following genealogical information was extracted:
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Andrew Liddell married twice. His first wife was Janet Goodsir and her sister Mary Goodsir now residing in Largo in Fifeshire is mentioned in the Settlement. His second wife was Jessie Peddie. There is a reference to an ante-nuptial contract of marriage dated 2 November 1829, but it is unlikely that this document was registered officially as the source would normally be given.
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Details are given of the McLaren family. He speaks of' his deceased brother uterine Robert McLaren, Clerk at Carron Iron works, and his widow, Margaret Shaw or McLaren.
The children are also mentioned:
James Shaw Mclaren now at Pittsburgh or elsewhere in the USA,
Robert McLaren Gas Tube Manufacturer in Glasgow,
Andrew McLaren, merchant in London,
and Archibald McLaren 'presently Clerk with the said Robert Mclaren
Janet McLaren living with her mother at Bainsford, and
Margaret McLaren wife of William Law formerly Shoemaker in Dunfermlinen and now or lately Farmer at Brunton in Linlithgowshire.
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Andrew Liddell also makes bequests to the children of the late Andrew Renny, Sawyer at Carron, and of his first wife, Margaret McLaren who was Andrew Liddell's sister uterine. (Therefore Andrew Renny is both Andrew Liddell's and Robert Maclaren & Margaret Shaw's brother-in-law. See also Note:B (a))
The children are:
Michael Bruce Renny, Smith at Carron Iron works,
Andrew Renny, Smith in Glasgow,
Margaret Renny, wife of James Scott sawyer at at Carron,
Jean Renny wife of William Telford, weaver or blockcutter at or near Pollokshaws,
Robert Renny now or lately smith at Falkirk Foundry,
Isabella Renny wife of Moses Neilson at Grahamston,
Phoebe Renny, wife of Boston Harley dresser of iron goods at Carro
and Jessie Renny widow of Andrew Stewart shoemaker at Grahamston.
Andrew Renny's second wife was Margaret Stevenson (they were married in 1819).
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Bequests are also made to the sons of his deceased uncle, William Liddell, Baker in Airth.
The sons are:
William Joiner residing in Glasgow,
Alexander, baker at Airth,
and Andrew who was mentally deficient and resided with his brother Alexander.
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He also leaves money to the children of his aunt, Mrs Mary Liddell, by her second marriage with James Dunn, farmer in Airth.
The children are:
James Dunn, Baker in Tradeston,
Barbara Dunn or Shoels, widow of the late William Shoels, Nailer in Alloa,
and Christiana Dunn or Galloway, wife of William Galloway, Carter in Calton of
Glasgow.
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Several of the Peddie family are mentioned:
Mrs Catherine Hodge or Peddie, widow of the late William Peddie, Secretary of the
Insurance Co. of Scotland,
Wilhelmina and Susan Peddie, his sisters in law residing with their brother in Edinburgh,
William and Alexander Peddie, his brothers in law,
Mary Peddie, spouse of Charles Arthur Secretary to the Edinburgh and Leith Gas Co.
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The trustees appointed by Andrew Liddell were:
Patrick Wilson, Architect in Edinburgh (who appears to have been married to a Catherine
Peddie, with children Robert, Catherine and William Wilson)
John McAndrew, S.S.C. in Edinburgh, an old and valued friend.
William James Duncan, manager of the National Bank of Scotland in Edinburgh.
William Lockhart, formerly merchant in Kirkcaldy, now residing at Birkenhead, Cheshire,
and married to an Eliz. Peddie.
David Smith, Shoemaker in Glasgow.
Alexander Hastie, Merchant in Glasgow
Hugh Moncrieff, Writer in Glasgow (or his partner Adam Paterson, Writer there).
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There are several bequests to charity including Baptist organisations.
A bequest to William Auld, Pastor of the Baptist Church in Brown Street, Glasgow, was later cancelled in a codicil to the settlement.
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This settlement was dated 15 November 1848. The codicil is dated 26 April 1851 and was written at Plean House, Stirlingshire.
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Unfortunately Andrew Liddell and his wife were not at Plean House (Parish of St Ninians) during the 1851 Census Schedules and an attempt to find him at Bardowie House in Baldernock and at some of the premises he owned in Glasgow was unsuccessful. This was a great drawback as the Census would have produced an age and parish of birth.
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Andrew Liddell's first marriage was recorded in Glasgow in 1820
"Andrew Liddell, Merchant in Glasgow & Janet Goodsir Parish of Largo, Fifeshire, Married 11th Jany by Mr. Anstruther Taylor, Minister of Carnbee.".
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The second marriage was recorded in Glasgow and Edinburgh, which last is quoted:
"Mr. Andrew Liddell, Ironmonger, Residing in Argyll Street in the City of Glasgow and Miss Jessie Peddie Residing in No. 12 Windmill Street in this Parish, Eldest Daughter of Mr William Peddie, Secretary to the Insurance Company of Scotland, Residing there, have been Three times proclaimed in order to marriage in the Parish Church of Saint Cuthberts and no Objections have been Offered. Married on the Third day of Nov. current by Henry David Dickie Pastor of the Baptist Congregation in Pleasance."
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With the aid of the Census Schedules it was discovered that Andrew Liddell's uncle, William Liddell, married Margaret Boyd in Airth on 13 December 1793. James Dunn and Mary Liddell were married 30 April 1789 in Airth. William Liddell died in Airth and was buried on 4 June 1837, but the age is left blank. A search for the possible birth of Andrew Liddell or Robert MacLaren in Airth was not successful.
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William Liddell left a will but it was not helpful as the executors were William Boyd, Farmer in Airth Mill and Peter Boyd, Farmer, Westfield. The document gives his date of death as 31 May 1837 and his children (living in 1835) as Margaret, Ann, Mary, William, Alexander
and Andrew. (Stirling Sheriff Court: Register of Deeds Vol. 29, page 227 and Register of Inventories Vol. 17, page 503).
On 24 August 1854 Alexander Liddell, Baker, Airth, gives Peter Boyd as Power of Attorney as he is thinking of going to Australia. (Stirling Sheriff Court Register of Deeds Vol. 29, page 225).
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Glasgow Sasines (in their abridged version) were examined 1781 - 1860 and although Andrew Liddell was concerned in several property deals he does not appear to have inherited any of the property from relatives.
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Then Stirlingshire Sasines were examined 1781 - 1830 and a new possibility appeared. On 24 November 1797 Andrew Liddell, Schoolmaster at Bainsford, and Margaret Laurie his spouse were seised in 6 falls of ground which were part of the lands of Mungall (Stirlingshire Particular Register of Sasines Vol. 34, page 526). Margaret Laurie can sell the land after the death of her husband Andrew Liddell 'if she should be under the necessity of so doing for her own and the child or children procreated of the marriage between her and the said Andrew Liddell their support & upbringing but not otherwise'. This could be taken as an indication that she had children by a first marriage.
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On 19 October 1814 Andrew Liddell, eldest lawful son of Andrew Liddell, schoolmaster at Bainsford, and Margaret Laurie, is seised in the above land which he sells again on 15 January 1817. (Stirlingshire Particular Register of Sasines Vol 7, page 209, and Vol. 75, page 210).
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The birth of Andrew Liddell was entered in the Falkirk parish registers:
2Oth (December 1789)
C(hild). Andrew lawl,
P(arentsAndrew Liddell
Margaret Lawrie
W(itnesses) John Robertson
Daniel Miller
Born lst Current.
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The marriage of the parents did not take place in Falkirk but was eventually found in the parish of Larbert
"June 10th 1786 Andrew Liddle & Margaret Laurie both in this parish gave up their names for proclamation"
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No other children were registered in Falkirk to this couple up to 1797."
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While there is no proof that Andrew Liddell and Margaret Laurie were the parents of Andrew Liddell, Ironmonger in Glasgow, the known facts would seem to fit the case fairly well. Unfortunately, however, a possible first marriage of Margaret Lawrie and McLaren was not found in Larbert (though there is a gap in the marriage register 1768- 1775) and the birth of a Robert McLaren around 1778 to such parents was not registered in Larbert. Success in finding an entry would of course depend very much on whether the McLarens lived in the Stirlingshire area or simply came there, after the birth of their children, from, some other part of Scotland.
(From a Report [about 1950s] of research into the family of Robert Maclaren of Bainsford. Commissioned by John Frederick Peverell Maclaren.)
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NOTES OF JOHN FREDERICK PEVERELL MACLAREN (1896-1776)
An attempted to type up the handwritten notes of John Frederick Peverell Maclaren (1896-1776), probably written in the 1950s or 60s.
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Notes by John Frederick Peverell Maclaren (1896-1776)
1. Margaret Lawrie "Lawrie" is given by Mr. Maclaren of Maclaren on p.124 as an Anglicized version of Maclaren, which some families adopted. Therefore was this her first husband's name, if so why did her children revert to "Maclaren". Or was it her maiden name? W? did Registrair do we cares of /// named twice? Was her husband ????? "wanted" for the '45 and adopted this name as a temporary safe-guard _ or his father/ (her husband could have been in the '45)
2. Was Maclaren or Lawrie a Baptist .. No evidence ?? be ???. The Liddells seem to have been.
3. The Liddells seem to have come from Airth
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Notes
1. Buried in the old Kirkyard of Falkirk. James Shaw & his wife Jean Cockburn, and Robert Shaw are described as "beloved ancestors" by Margaret's children who erected the stone soon after her death. It seems probable that James & Jean where her parents and Robert's ? her grandfather, that he is is not specifically stated. Bainsford is ?? n of Falkirk.
2. Year of birth shown in brackets (1778 for Robert Maclaren) are computed from age of death ? so may be one year out, according to the date of death and of birthday.
3. (James Shaw Maclaren (1808-1891) Born in Bainsford 1808. Died in USA in 1891.
4. (John Finlay, 1812-1883, & Mary Adams, d. 1883, their daughter Mary Jane Finlay, 1841-1900 & her husband Robert Maclaren 1817-1889) Buried in Craigton Cemetery, Glasgow. Robert was the founder of Robert Maclaren & Company, Eglington Iron Works, Glasgow. Mary Jane was an only child and very highly educated for girls of that day. (see her self-portrait).
5. The Finlays are said to have been " Cro?? lairds", ie a landowning family somewhere near Glasgow. Joan Toe?? is said to have been the first to go into business __/ a younger son.
6. (In children of Robert Maclaren & Mary Jane Finlay) There were presumably other children, probably between James & Robert. My father (John Finlay Maclaren 1868-1908) had first cousins Richard Maclaren, Edith Maclaren, & William Kennedy. Richard had a son Richard and a daughter Peggy __ think this branch is still alive in Scotland (Peggy, living in Paisley, contacted Ian Garnet Maclaren after his picture appeared in "Scotland" magazine and they subsequently met several times.)
7. Colonel Robert Maclaren D.L., J.P., T.D., of Craigs Linlithgow, Chairman of Robert Maclaren & Company.
8. (Ada Maclaren, abt 1890-1950) married Major Charles Monro of Allan, Seaforth Highlanders, Vice-Lieutenant of the County Ross. ?? was in Jameison Raid and was tried with Dr. Jameison and acquitted. Ada was killed in a fire at Aviemore Hotel in 1950. No children.
9. ( Margaret Shaw Maclaren, b 1864) married William Stewart of Glasgow. 1 daughter, Maisie who married Dr Jenner Hoskins of Harley Street, London, and had two daughters, Margaret and Mary, and a son Christopher.
10. (Joan Findlay Maclaren, b 1866) married James Alexander Clarke, RN. One daughter Isobel who married George Gillian of the Sarawak Civil service and had a daughter Georgina and a son Robert. Joan also had a son Alexander Robert Maclaren.
11. (John Finlay Maclaren, 1868-1908) Partner in Robert Maclaren & Company. Died aged 39 of typhoid.
12. (Clara Hillhouse, 1871-1949) Daughter of Archibald Hillhouse of Busby, Lanarkshire. General Goods Manager of the old Caledonian Railway Company. Archibalds wife was Annie Adamson of County Durban, who was a Perevoll? on her mother's side.
13. (James Shaw Maclaren, 1970-1950) of Ardlarach, Tain, Ross-shire, married Daisy Stewart Ogilvie. Children Helen (married lastly a Mr Bregger of Nyassaland), Colin Shaw (late Indian Army now in USA), Christobel (died young),Lt. Commander Douglas Hamish Ian Leu???RN. (married Jean Trimgham and had 1 daughter Lucilla), and David Patrick Ogilvie, Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders killed in action at Khartoun in 1924.
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1757 Margaret Lawrie (? Or Maclaren) presumably born before this date.
1786 Margaret Lawrie married Andrew Liddell 1 of Larbert (She was (if we are on the proper Liddell family which is definitely a doubt) a widow with 2 children.
1 A daughter Margaret Maclaren?, in her "teens" (Married Andrew Rennie in 1792 & therefore C. not c?ter ??? c.1775) died before 1819.
2 A son Robert maclaren, born 1778
1789 Andrew Liddell and Margaret Lawrie had a son Andrew Liddell II (birth registered at Falkirk).
1797 Andrew Liddle and his wife Margaret Lawrie bought land at Bainsford. (he was now described as a school master at Bainsford.)This land appears to be similar to the Shaw property.
1807 Robert Maclaren married Margaret Shaw (b. 1781) at Falkirk (presumably before this time, Robert had been living with the ?? Liddells, ???ding his little half brother Andrew.)
1808 Robert's son James Shaw Maclaren born.
1810 Robert's daughter Jean born (?died).
1812 Robert's daughter Margaret Born (married William Law of Glasgow)
1814 Andrew LiddleII succeeded to his parent's land at Bainsford.
1816 Robert's daughter Janet born. (? Died, not married)
1817 Robert's son Robert born. & later Jeannie (c 1820-1843) , Andrew (c1826), & Archibald (c 1827)
1820 Andrew Liddell married Janet Goodsir.
1826 Robert Died. He was then Sub-Manager of the Carron Iron Works & partner with his half-brother Andrew Liddell in his firm of "Iron-mongers" (or manufactures) of Andrew & Co.. Before his death in the same year he set up a trust (with Margaret Shaw) for their children. The Trustees were both or either his half-brother Andrew Liddell and Andrew Rennie (husband of his elder sister Margaret). This Trust seems to have worked without dispute until the deaths in 1854 of both Andrew Liddell and Margaret Shaw.
1840 (n? 1841) Robert II founded Robert Maclaren & Company.
1848 Date? Of Andrw Liddell's S Robert family & their whereabouts are mentioned.
1864 Robert II & some of his brothers & sisters raise claim v. Andrwew Liddell ??? (Salt?ed) ??aviors from trust? of 1826.
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From Brian Watters. 6th July 2001
Author of "Where Iron Runs Like Water- Brian Watters (a new history of the Carron Iron Works - 1759 - 1892)"
Your letter of 12 June 2001 was forwarded to me by the people at Carron Phoenix. Unfortunately, I do not know of any connection between Robert Maclaren and James Maclaren; the background of the latter gentleman is quite hazy. Where James Maclaren originated from is not known to me, but he appears to have been quite close to managing partner Joseph Stainton (he had Stainton's s power of attorney), whose sister Betty, he eventually married. By 1791, he had obviously amassed enough money to begin buying Carron Company shares, becoming a partner by 1795. He then went to the Liverpool office and finally to London, where he died in 1808. His son, James Maclaren, was a Barrister at Law and was married to Joseph Stainton's daughter Caroline. They lived at East Sussex before moving to Constable Burton in Yorkshire. Their son, James Joseph Stainton Maclaren, also a Barrister, was chairman of the Company from 1906 until his death at his home Ratho Park (now a golf club) in 1927. He had no offspring, so his Carron Company shares passed to other relatives within the Stainton family. Amongst those who benefited, was a relative, Dr Maclaren of Elie, Fife.
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However, I can give you a little information on some of the others mentioned in your letter. Robert Maclaren's wife Margaret, was the daughter of James Shaw of Bainsford. She inherited her father's property in 1822 as can be seen from the Abridgement of Sasines for Stirlingshire:
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Sept. 20. 1822. 617. MARGARET SHAW, spouse of Robert McLaren, Clerk to the Carton Co., residing in Bainsford, Seised, Sept. 17. 1822, - in 7 Falls of ground with the Houses thereon, being part of the lands of MUNGALL, adjacent to BAINSFORD, par. Falkirk; - on Disp. by James Shaw, Labourer, Bainsford, her father, Apr. 23. 1806.PR. 102.20."
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From Brian Watters 20 July 2001
"Since our last correspondence, I have come up with some other bits which you may or may not know about, but which may be of interest. The MI's (Monumental Inscriptions, compiled by Mitchell & Mitchell in c1972) show that Robert Maclaren and his wife were both interred in Falkirk Churchyard:
Robert Maclaren
died 1 I'° August 1826 aged 48
his widow
Margaret Shaw
died 24'° September 1854 aged 73
Unfortunately, most of this graveyard (Falkirk Old and St Modans Parish Church) was cleared a few years ago and the remains re-interred in Camelon Cemetery. I also came across another Sasine which refers to property in Bainsford purchased by William Monteath and his wife Ann Shaw (who got liferent). Perhaps Ann was another relative? The seller was one James Rennie, perhaps a relative of the other family you mentioned (Renney or Rennie?):
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2577. WILLIAM MONTEATH, Ship Carpenter, Carron, Siesed, Jan. 2.1838,- in the southmost half of a Dwelling House and southmost half of the Garden or ground at the back thereof and Buildings thereon, on the east side of the High Road leading through BAINSFORD, and Teinds, par. Falkirk; - on Disp. by James Rennie, sometime Mason, Bainsford, then in Glasgow, Aug. 15. 1808; - and ANN SHAW, his spouse, Seised end, die in liferent, of said subjects propriis manibus of the said William Monteath. PR 191.286.
Yours sincerely,
Brian Watters."
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"I have a couple of corrections to make to the information passed to you. Regarding the Falkirk Churchyard, it was the old gravestones that were cleared away and not the occupants, so your ancestors remain safe. The site of the Congregational Church in Bank Street, Falkirk, is now utilised by a Bingo Hall, once Falkirk's "Picture House". I am reliably informed that some parts of the old church can still be seen at the rear of this building."
28th August 2001
Brian Watters
Author of "Where Iron Runs Like Water- (a new history of the Carron Iron Works - 1759 - 1892)"
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Results of search 9th November 2000 at Scots Origins, Online registry of genealogical information of the Registrar General for Scotland. http://www.origins.net/GRO/
First letter:
C =Christening
B=Birth
M=Marriage
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Second letter:
M = Male
F=Female
U=Unknown
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C & B are organised as : Date, Name, Father, Mother, District
M is are organised as :: Date, Name, Spouse, District
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Search for- Robert* Mclaren, Mother Margaret (& Margt), 1768 +Or- 5, 1778 +Or- 5
C M 23 Feb 1772 Mclaren Robert, Mclaren William, Cunningham Margaret, Dunfermline
C M 12 May 1776, Mclaren Robert, Mclaren John, Mcdonald Margaret, Balquhidder
C M 6 Sep 1778, Mclaren Robert, Mclaren Donald, King Margaret, Balquhidder
C M 4 Jul 1779, Mclaren Robert, Mclaren Dougal, Fergusson Margaret, Callander
C 23 Mar 1783, Mclaren Robert, Mclaren Robert, Campbell Margt., Kincardine
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Search for- Robert* Mclauren, Mother Margaret (& Margt), 1752 1798
M M 11 Apr 1765 Mclauren Robert Stewart Margt. Blair Atholl & Strowan
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Search for- Robert* Mclearen, Mother Margaret, 1778 +Or- 5, 1768 +Or- 5
Nothing
Search for- Robert* Mclairan & Maclairan, Mother Margaret, 1768 +Or- 5, 1778 +Or- 5.
Nothing
Search for- Robert* Maclaren, Mother Margaret (& Margt), 1768 +Or- 5, 1778 +Or- 5.
Nothing
Search for- Robert* Mcclaren, Mother Margaret (& Margt), 1768 +Or- 5, 1778 +Or- 5. 1788 +Or- 5
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Information on Maclaren Chiefs is mostly from: Margaret Maclaren of Maclaren. "The Maclarens. A History of Clan Labhran".
1976 & 1984. ISBN 0 946270 10 4. Copyright Donald Maclaren of Maclaren.
The Pentland Press, Edinburgh. Printed & bound by McCorquodale (Scotland) Ltd.
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And from information that Banks McLaurin found in "Notable Events in Clan and National History"
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At LDS - Mormon Site
From: John Henderson [mailto:jhender@cytanet.com.cy]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:49 AM
ROBERT MACLAREN Pedigree
Male
....Event(s):
.... Birth:
.....Christening: 07 MAR 1817 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Parents:
Father: ROBERT MACLAREN Family
Mother: MARGARET SHAW
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
1. ROBERT MACLAREN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 07 MAR 1817 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotla
2. JAMES MACLAREN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 APR 1810 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotla
3. JAMES MAC LAREN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 19 OCT 1809
4. JAMES MAC LAREN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 APR 1810 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotla
5. JEAN MAC LAREN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 APR 1810 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotla
6. MARGARET MC LAREN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 05 JAN 1812
7. MARGARET MC LAREN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 FEB 1812 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotla
8. JAMES MACLAREN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 19 OCT 1808 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
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From: John Henderson [mailto:jhender@cytanet.com.cy]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:49 AM
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As shown in the REPORT he was a Baptist minister and at the time of his son Robert's marriage is recorded as being Sub-Manager of Carron Iron Works. Plus it seems he was at least a sleeping partner in Andrew Liddle & Co. which was an iron and brass foundry and made iron pipes. See quotes beow from the Extract of DEATH OF ANDREW LIDDELL, ESQ.. Proceedings of the Royal Philosophical Society of Glasgow, Volume 3. 1855
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Three relevant quotes:
Andrew Liddelle (1789-1854) “…his halfbrother, MR. ROBERT M'LAREN, advanced capital, and went in as a sleeping partner, under the firm of Andrew Liddell & Co.
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“MR. M'LAREN died in 1830, and Mr. Liddell continued sole partner in the business till 1844, when he surrendered the iron manufactory to his nephew, MR. ROBERT M'LAREN, Globe Foundry. …”
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“In a few years, his partners retired, and, with an advance of capital from his half-brother, MR. ROBERT MCLAREN, be became the head of the firm of Andrew Liddell and Co., and thus continued till 1844, when he relinquished the business in favour of his nephew, he carried on the most extensive manufacture in Scotland, of wrought-iron tubes…”
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Extracts from:
DEATH OF ANDREW LIDDELL, ESQ.
Proceedings of the Royal Philosophical Society of Glasgow, Volume 3
By Royal Philosophical Society of Glasgow
Royal Philosophical Society., 1855 - Science?
(pages 356-359)
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November 15. (1854)—The Society met this evening. On taking the chair, the President communicated the melancholy intelligence of the death of Mr. Liddell, the Treasurer, which had occurred on the morning of that day; and concluded some remarks on the great personal worth and usefulness of Mr. Liddell, and on his services to this Society, by moving that it be remitted to the Secretaries to prepare a memorial of that gentleman, to be inserted in the Proceedings; and that as a mark of respect to the memory of its Treasurer, and an expression of sorrow for the loss it has sustained, the Society do now adjourn till the next Ordinary Meeting. Mr. Hastie, in seconding the motion, followed up the remarks of the President in the same spirit; and the Society accordingly adjourned without proceeding to business.
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DEATH OF ANDREW LIDDELL, ESQ.
Glasgow has lost one of its worthies by the death of Mr. Andrew Liddell . This mournful event took place at his residence, Bardowie House, on Wednesday morning the 15th of November. He became indisposed on Monday week, but his illness, which was a bilious fever, did not assume an alarming aspect till Sabbath. His strength continued gradually to sink till a few minutes after two o'clock on Wednesday morning, when he expired.
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Mr. Liddell was born in 1786 in the village of Bainsford, near Falkirk, where his father was a schoolmaster. He received the elements of his education in that village and in Falkirk. When about thirteen years of age he went to assist his father at Carron iron-works, where he had been appointed a clerk. Here he remained till he was about eighteen years of age, when he removed to Edinburgh, and obtained a situation as clerk in a foundry. He next held a similar situation in the employment of Robert Anderson & Co., metal merchants, Leith. At this period, he commenced to study for the medical profession, and through the considerate kindness of his employers, to which he often reverted with pleasure, he was allowed to write up his books at night in order that he might have time for attending College during the day. He was diverted from his purpose of becoming a surgeon, after he had attended one or two of the classes in the University, by visiting Glasgow, where he was offered a partnership in an ironmongery establishment in Coach Court, Gallowgate. He closed with the offer, and settled in Glasgow about 1814 or 1815. In a few years all the partners retired, and his halfbrother,
MR. ROBERT M'LAREN, advanced capital, and went in as a sleeping partner, under the firm of Andrew Liddell & Co.
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In 1826, Mr. Liddell removed his place of business to 102 Argyle Street, his workshop being behind the front shop; but when the Arcade was projected in 1828, the workshop was removed to Washington Street, where the business of iron and brass founding was carried on, together with the manufacture of malleable iron pipes, the most extensive in Scotland. He had been making iron pipes in the usual way, when a new mode of welding was patented by Mr. Russell of Wednesbury in Staffordshire. Mr. Russell commenced a process against Mr. Liddell; but, by the interference of friends, the connection which began with a law-suit ended in
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Death of Andrew Liddell, Esq.357
giving Mr. Liddell a right to the new process, and he carried it on until he retired from business. Next to the sturdy common sense, the practical sagacity, and energy of purpose which formed the prominent features of Mr. Liddell's mind, he was remarkable above most men for methodical habits and punctuality. These qualities, added to a good knowledge of machinery, rendered him a first-rate man of business; and the promptitude, energy, "push," and punctuality, which he exercised in his early career, characterized him through life. His success in business was equal to his wishes, and he was able to retire in 1844, with a respectable competency, and a large heart and liberal mind to enjoy the well-earned fruits of his toils, and employ a due share of his substance in doing good to others. MR. M'LAREN died in 1830, and Mr. Liddell continued sole partner in the business till 1844, when he surrendered the iron manufactory to his nephew, MR. ROBERT M'LAREN, Globe Foundry.
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Obituary of Andrew Liddell from the 'ICE Publishing Journal' - 'Essential Engineering Knowledge' Extracted by his Great Great Great Grand Nephew, John Henderson BA, DPE, PGCE of Stirling, Scotland
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Mr. ANDREW LIDDELL, was born in 1789 in the village of Bainsford, near Falkirk, where he received the elements of his education from his Father, who was originally a schoolmaster, but subsequently obtaining an appointment as clerk in the Carron Iron Works, he employed his son as assistant. …..
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He, however, relinquished this object, on being offered a partnership in an ironmongery establishment in Glasgow, where he eventually settled in 181+ or 1815. In a few years, his partners retired, and, with an advance of capital from his half-brother,
MR. ROBERT MCLAREN, be became the head of the firm of Andrew Liddell and Co., and thus continued till 1844, when he relinquished the business in favour of his nephew, he carried on the most extensive manufacture in Scotland, of wrought-iron tubes, employing a method of welding, somewhat similar to that introduced by Mr. James Russell, of Wednesbnry. On the general introduction of gas, be became engaged in manufacturing gas-pipes and apparatus, which he supplied to many towns in Scotland and Ireland, and extensively exported to Nova Scotia and Canada.
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